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Reasonable torture response

ARTICLE: In Obama's Inner Circle, Debate Over Memos' Release Was Intense, By R. Jeffrey Smith, Michael D. Shear and Walter Pincus, Washington Post, April 24, 2009

Personally, I like the idea of making the memos public. The charge that we're releasing info to al Qaeda is a bit much, because it's hard to believe this isn't all already well known to them (give them some credit).

For Obama, I see the memos' release as a way to obviate the truth commission route (full disclosure up front, and a decision not to prosecute ex post facto), which I do see as overkill.

So, to me, this is an inoculation strategy. Obama is done with torture, done with black sites, done with Gitmo and has clarified the rendition process somewhat while keeping it operative (we are going to want to send certain suspects back to their home countries; the big question will be whether or not it's done with a clear mind to performing torture by proxy, something Obama indicates will not be the case, but there's clear wiggle room there). He has also indicated a desire to get America back in line with the International Criminal Court. I judge the sum total of these changes as reasonable and warranted and sufficient at this time.

Reader Comments (8)

The problem with the "Torture Paper's" release is that they were, literally, out of context, and incomplete . .

They said only what the W.H. wanted them to say. You cannot politicize National Security, although we know that's done by both parties, almost daily.

Nonetheless, it's not good for safety of the country.
April 25, 2009 | Unregistered Commenterlarge
No inoculation possible with war crimes. If Obama passes it off, that doesn't mean the culprits have a get out of jail free card. Decades after WWII (to this very day), the US is pursuing and arresting war criminals. Not just major players, but camp guards too.

The notion that if they can just get past the next mid-term election, all these guys will be free for all time just doesn't hold water. Delay will work as a tactic, but not as a strategy.

Maybe we need to let the cases mature and get the facts out. That's just good legal practice. After all, many of the principals are quite willing to proclaim that they did authorize torture and Cheney even has asked that his involvement be publicly documented. So, no truth commission, just the constant drip drip drip of information.
April 25, 2009 | Unregistered Commenterhof1991
Dr Barnett, why are you opposed to criminal prosecution of torturers?

I understand that it will be a difficult and politicised process given the players involved, but fundamentally, why do you feel they should walk free?

Why is it sufficient to merely acknowledge that it happened? Sufficient in what regard?
April 25, 2009 | Unregistered Commenterdamien
There is no such thing as "Secret" law in a democracy (republic)! The memos should have been released long ago and made available to Congress and the informed public. Secret law speaks to horses on the cobblestones at night and hidden governmental structures that if allowed will end our democracy in a hurry. Let judicial process play out but if I had my wishes we (US) would immediately join the ICC and refer a number of the alleged PERPS!
April 25, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterWilliam R. Cumming
This is a case where I think the administration has not had a consistent message. They need to be consistent on (a) memo release; (b) further investigations; (c) possibility of criminal prosecution.

Now I personally disagree with (a) and (c), but think that (b) is appropriate, and those hearings should be at least FOUO.
April 25, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterDavid Emery
I think there should be a through investigation and if the Attorney General finds sufficient evidence to prosecute, he should. The President could then pardon those convicted if he felt any of them should not be held accountable.

We have to send a clear message to future administrations that we are a country of laws and they still apply in times of stress.
April 25, 2009 | Unregistered Commenterrblx
How can this subject be anything but political? The right has a point if it worked we should know that, after all these folks killed and would like to continue killing Americans. On the other the left is right we can never give up the moral high ground. But we are now going to hold lawyers responsible for legal opinions? We open dangerous precedents and the Left better understand the 2d & 3d order effects. If we can quite the shrill voices on either side we may find that war isn't nice, and we should learn from our mistakes.
April 26, 2009 | Unregistered CommenterEAE
This is political, as in throwing a bone to the hard left base that brought Obama into power.

I like the idea of bringing this all out in the open, but with an actual prosecution, not some "Truth Commission". In a prosecution the defense can subpoena whoever and whatever it needs to defend the "criminals".

Let's break this wide open. I want to know ALL the attacks that were prevented by our efforts to obtain information from the head choppers.

I think people would accept water-boarding and other techniques if they knew what the bad guys were really up to. Let's find out!
April 26, 2009 | Unregistered Commenterjoe Michels

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